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Azkad: Just a hint of disbelief is enough for Allah to burn people in hell

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Submitted by Plato (India), Jan 26, 2009 at 06:32

Azkad, you wrote:

>>The non-believers will be punished owing to several facts: a) if a person does not believe in God, then he/she does not fear anyone and is more likely to commit suicide, drink alchohol or cheat someone.<<

Likely hood is different from actually committing crimes. I can think of many idol worshippers or People of the Book who lead exemplary lives (Mother Teresa, Albert Schwitzer, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Gautam Buddha). Will they all also be burning in hell?

The Koran specifically says mere disbelief in Allah is enough to get you tortured in hell.

004.048 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed

004.116 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).

Clearly Allah's main concern is not suicide, sex, alcohol or cheating. He is most insecure about idols and the threat that man will set up partners with Him. Allah will forgive you any other sin including those you mentioned if it pleases Him.

>>The superiority of Islam or believing in that it teaches people that they are under control and constantly being watched, so they should be careful with they acts and deeds. <<

You think that to be watched and controlled constantly like we are some kind of toddlers in a kindergarten or mentally disturbed persons in an asylum who will harm themselves speaks very poorly for Allah as a creator. To say that He has created us so deficient that He has to keep threatening us with spankings like recalcitrant kids to keep us in line or tempt us with lollypops like adults do with toddlers is a blot on Allah's intelligence and powers.

>>The Koran warns people not to commit themselves to violent actions; there is great wisdom behind the warnings in Koran.<<

Where in the Koran did you read those wise words? Allah exhorts Muslims to violent actions verse after verse. Here is just a sampling:

009.120 YUSUFALI: It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighbourhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- …….

This is the Koran warning the Bedouin that it is discourteous on their part to refuse to sacrifice their lives for the prophet's.

008.065 , 86 YUSUFALI: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

The merciful Allah is telling the mercy to all mankind to rouse the believers to fight and encouraging them with the good news that they can fight ten times their number (….ooops Godly error! Allah realized He had made a mistake and told them He had only given them twice the strength of the pagans)

>>For all that Allah bestowed us, such as water, air, smooth earth to live, the sun , the moon, stars, vegetables and fruit, animals and many others creaters, we should thank Him, but how? So the Koran teaches -- by worshiping the Creator, we cannot imagine life without water or air, have ever thought where they came from, who created them; <<

Consider the fact that some of this NATURAL phenomena can suddenly and without warning turn on us and destroy thousands of us in minutes. Water – floods and tsunamis. Air – hurricanes/tornadoes. Smooth earth – earthquakes that devastate whole towns and villages. This surely should be considered the work of the devil.

I can also claim that all these NATURAL phenomena are caused by Casper the Friendly Ghost living in my attic. He is invisible to all but he talks to me and says he is responsible for all that goes on in the universe. When an earthquake destroyed the lives of thousands of people in Pakistani held Kashmir he informed me that he did it because they were aiding and abetting the insurgency in the peaceful Indian side of Kashmir. He was doing it to teach them a lesson.

I told him they have not learned any lesson despite the massive death and destruction he had caused. They continue to do what they did. He said no problem. He will wait patiently till a day he called judgment day and he will take all those sinners by their forelocks and drag them into a place he called hell which he has kept burning for people who do not learn lessons from the punishment he inflicts on them in this world.

>> Allah does not need our worship or good deeds, He just wants to see how pious we are, how thankful we are, how patient we are for what has been granted by Him.<<

A few paragraphs above you wrote: ‘The superiority of Islam or believing in that it teaches people that they are under control and constantly being watched…'

And now you say Allah does not need our worship or good deeds and He is watching us keenly to see if we trip up. If we are under the control of Allah how can we NOT worship Him and do good deeds especially as we are under constant watch?

Allah keeps saying His right and our duty is to worship Him. Unless He needed people to sing his praises in worship why did He create the universe as He is a self-sufficient needless being by His own claims?

>>This is the world of ordeal, this is the world of testing, so the real pleasure is in the afterworld; however it does not mean that should lead a miserable life,<<

You claim that Allah has created this world of ordeals and testing how then can you claim in the same breath we should not lead a miserable life? Ordeals and testing are always cause of misery and Allah is the cause of this misery.

>>NO, instead you should try to contribute to the prosperity of Islam, people of the WORLD, not only MUSLIMS.<<

You cannot contribute to the prosperity of Islam and the world simultaneously. Because the prosperity of Islam can be only at the expense of the rest of the world. Let me quote the Koran to prove it to you:

003.085 YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

009.033 YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

058.021 YUSUFALI: Allah has decreed: "It is I and My messengers who must prevail": For Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.

If desire for another religion is anathema to Allah, if He has sent messengers to proclaim it over all religion even if others detest it then only Islam can prosper, all the other faiths be damned.

Regards

Plato


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