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Slater, Autonomous Zones, and Israel

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Submitted by Lowell Blackman (Israel), Jan 14, 2009 at 17:12

Given Europe's obsequiousness of late, Chris Slater's scenario, or "fourth outcome" is not as far-fetched as one may think. The problem that could rise from this state of affairs is this: although these "Muslim autonomous zones" or "Muslim microstates" will exclusively comprise populations of Muslims, nothing says that Muslims living outside and choosing to remain outside those "zones" will cast their lot in or assimilate with the Christian majority amongst whom they reside. Younger Muslims and the second and third generation of Muslims living amongst the Christian populace might look to those Muslim zones or entities with great pride, especially if the present practice of preaching jihad and loathing of the West and Christianity continue in European mosques. This will inevitably create an unstable situation, a "fifth column" of sorts, and who is to say that those Christian areas with considerable Muslim populations geographically bordering the Muslim entities might not demand an anschluss in the name of self-determination. What then? Will Europe cede even more territory?

(In the 1850s through the 1890s, a group of Christian Templars, who believed in the impending Second Coming, arrived from Germany and established colonies in the land of Israel in what is now Tel Aviv, Haifa, and up north in a town called Bethlehem of the Galilee. In the years after the area passed from Ottoman hands to the British Mandate, the settlements and populations grew, but by the third generation, the loyalty of the Templars now found its expression less in Jesus Christ and the Second Coming and more in the Third Reich and the Nazi Party. This became a problem for the British, so much so that during the Second World War, the British moved them en masse, trading them for British hostages held in Germany.)

I say that this is not so far-fetched because we, here in Israel, could well be facing a similar situation. If a Palestinian state comes into being, what is to say that Israeli Arabs living in areas adjacent to that Palestinian state - Umm al-Fahum and the Triangle, for example, and even large swaths of the Galilee - who identify with either or both the Palestinian or Islamist "struggle" against Israel and the "Zionist state" will not demand autonomy at first in the name of self-determination and then later, their own anschluss with the new state? In the wake of this, Israel will either have to relinquish more of its territory to avoid conflict or will have to make a radical decision to expel the Muslim populace from these border areas into the new Palestinian state. In the event of the latter, those former Arab areas will forever become Palestina Irredenta and grounds for continuing the conflict and the popular "armed struggle" will carry on. Since the "international community" has rarely shown its sympathies towards the State of Israel and its territorial integrity, it is possible that they will again support the Palestinians and call on Israel to surrender territory.

How similar scenarios will all play out in Europe is anyone's guess. The only Europeans capable of providing a harsh response to the creeping process of Islamization are, by and large, the nativists of the extreme right. The elites of Europe, left leaning and craven as they have become, still believe they can do business with the Muslim world and make lots of euros at it. The European civilization they have created and built up over centuries – both dark and light – does not seem uppermost on their mind as worthy of saving.

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2Thank you for the courage to report the facts [93 words]Stephen BlantonOct 6, 2011 17:39189883
3Cheers [68 words]LokiNov 26, 2010 06:48180490
3EXPULSION [182 words]Ilene RichmanJun 30, 2010 16:32175025
1It's started already [147 words]MathildaFeb 21, 2011 15:14175025
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1DEPORTATION [465 words]Ilene RichmanNov 2, 2013 14:33175025
segregation - administration in another language - some autonomy in europe [148 words]mythJan 19, 2010 10:08167553
1Democratic peaceful counter-attack [530 words]DEMSCIFeb 15, 2009 03:14150478
Micro-states for democracy [206 words]DEMSCIFeb 14, 2009 09:21150442
Let's put an autonomous zone in Mecca [41 words]Tom DundeeMar 10, 2010 13:43150442
But where will they get jobs? [123 words]Farid H.Jan 30, 2009 20:36149560
Several Pakistans in Making [266 words]B N GururajJan 27, 2009 05:01149209
Muslims have changed their strategy India.. [198 words]MichaelMar 22, 2010 09:28149209
Poll: Should Muslims living in a non-Muslim country integrate into host society? [13 words]Muslims Against ShariaJan 25, 2009 23:42149061
Please see this video that was on channel 4 in uk [80 words]ValJan 23, 2009 17:28148865
If it worked for the Huguenots it must be a good idea [17 words]Randy McDonaldJan 22, 2009 14:40148756
Muslim microstates [18 words]RichardJan 22, 2009 10:32148745
1A Humanist World Free From Religion [185 words]RobinozJan 22, 2009 05:57148736
1What hubris! [255 words]Fay VoshellJan 25, 2009 10:58148736
1You're Upset Understood [190 words]RobinJan 26, 2009 18:19148736
Hitler and Christianity [201 words]Fay VoshellJan 28, 2009 12:14148736
Religion Manmade [376 words]RobinJan 28, 2009 19:00148736
dont like that idea [17 words]gemNov 2, 2010 21:42148736
Hitler was not a Roman Catholic [116 words]Tom DundeeOct 26, 2013 20:19148736
Muslim's perseverence & European Innovations [62 words]AhmedJan 22, 2009 04:06148728
Do you know? [129 words]adilJan 21, 2009 09:38148639
1Europe may hold their own in the future! [218 words]Ms. AnneJan 20, 2009 07:24148501
possible outcomes [271 words]logical thinkerJan 19, 2009 19:00148457
bottom line for the U.S.A. [133 words]joel carsonJan 19, 2009 16:08148436
Difficulty of expulsion of Islamic microstates [470 words]Archimedes2Jan 18, 2009 18:29148369
Muslim Conversion? [231 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Gilbert ManeJan 18, 2009 01:47148327
Interesting observation, Gilbert [222 words]Archimedes2Jan 19, 2009 18:08148327
1Converts to Islam Also [144 words]RobinozJan 27, 2009 18:07148327
moslem conversion [186 words]rwFeb 9, 2009 01:03148327
mass madness [39 words]ValJan 17, 2009 14:51148294
Chris Slater's option, a stepping stone [86 words]Lynne SchultzJan 15, 2009 22:29148165
A culture like Europe's is at risk any way you look at it. [144 words]GWKJan 15, 2009 12:21148127
Muslim microstates = Additional Muslim votes at the UN. [71 words]M.D'SouzaJan 15, 2009 10:51148111
"Expulsion of Muslims"? We can't even expel the terrorist, Mahmoud Mohammad Issa Mohammad [49 words]KristaJan 15, 2009 09:33148108
Possible but not likely [90 words]Robert FriedmannJan 15, 2009 05:58148097
Islamist "intentions" have never been under any doubt.. [9 words]kmanJan 18, 2009 18:50148097
i agree [16 words]ivyNov 2, 2010 23:27148097
Glad you asked, "ivy" ... [86 words]kmanNov 4, 2010 02:24148097
The more likely unmentioned alternative [82 words]DavidJan 15, 2009 03:17148090
RE=MUSLIM EURO-STATES SOONER THAN YOU THINK [95 words]TerryJan 15, 2009 02:23148087
Will the West surrender? [257 words]SusanJan 14, 2009 23:59148080
Muslim Autonomous Zones in Europe. [233 words]PrakashJan 14, 2009 23:00148077
The nose [12 words]Steve MerkelJan 14, 2009 22:36148075
'Autonomous Muslim? [226 words]Ulysses BlackJan 14, 2009 19:08148054
Slater, Autonomous Zones, and Israel [588 words]Lowell BlackmanJan 14, 2009 17:12148042
Chris Slater's comments [104 words]Ron IrvineJan 14, 2009 15:30148037
The never-ending Muslim Empire ?? [51 words]Rich from TampaJan 14, 2009 14:33148031
Shariat in Action! (Warning! Not for the weakhearted.) [40 words]TurkJan 14, 2009 14:10148029
Turk's not for the faint hearted [263 words]w. June PedigoJan 15, 2009 12:35148029
One more possibility [110 words]Hans GesundJan 14, 2009 14:00148028
slater is making a good point [292 words]Betsy RossJan 14, 2009 13:21148024
Harmonious [64 words]PhillipJan 14, 2009 11:42148020
autonomous zones, as in the W.Bank or Gaza? [107 words]wynneJan 14, 2009 11:38148019
A fifth outcome scenario [144 words]huckJan 14, 2009 08:45148011
There is a Precedent for the Islamic CityStates [334 words]NehamaJan 14, 2009 08:44148010
Excellent idea! [107 words]PDMJan 14, 2009 05:27148004
Partially agreeing with Chris Slatter and totally with Dr. Pipes: Muslim autonomous zones as a mid step towards expulsion of Muslims or a Muslim takeover. [143 words]YnnatchkahJan 14, 2009 02:45147998
Response to Slater [145 words]joeJan 13, 2009 15:03147938
Autonomous zones - Gaza is one [169 words]SkepticJan 13, 2009 08:53147918
Palestinian Christians [26 words]Joseph AdamsJan 14, 2009 18:11147918
Resulting primarily from the inhumane acts of Hamas - Lebanon is another "autonomous zone"... [478 words]SkepticJan 16, 2009 13:00147918
Entirely bad idea [195 words]suitepotatoJan 12, 2009 14:03147854
Entirely possible [196 words]samJan 13, 2009 14:42147854
It's not that it must be the law of the land in absolute [327 words]suitepotatoJan 13, 2009 22:44147854
A ghetto by any other name... [191 words]Fay VoshellJan 12, 2009 12:26147842
Very interesting perspective, Fay Voshell [170 words]jennifer solisJan 15, 2009 16:16147842
Re-thinking secularism [459 words]Fay VoshellJan 16, 2009 09:56147842
Monolith against monolith [467 words]Fay VoshellJan 16, 2009 14:58147842
Makes no sense [82 words]Sean SilverJan 12, 2009 11:51147841
1kick them out [10 words]taniaJan 16, 2009 04:25147841
Australia Needs to Kick Them Out [171 words]RobinozJan 22, 2009 06:13147841
Would You Care To Revise Your Assessment [41 words]Tom DundeeOct 26, 2013 19:58147841

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