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Submitted by sTs (United Arab Emirates), Nov 30, 2008 at 10:15

John 8:58 "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born I AM!"

Let us see how the Christians interprets this verse

John 8:58 - NIV, NAB - in Epistle of Ignatius to the Tarsians "And how, again, could such an one declare: "Before Abraham was, I am?"

*John 8:58 - NIV, NAB- in Irenaeus Against Heresies Book IV "But the Word of God did not accept of the friendship of Abraham, as though He stood in need of it, for He was perfect from the beginning ("Before Abraham was," He says, "I am"

**John 8:58 - NIV, NAB- in Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus "And as He was the son of David, so was He also the Lord of David. And as He was from Abraham, so did He also exist before Abraham."

John 8:58 - NIV, NAB - in Origen Against Celsus Book VIII "for we believe Himself when He says, "Before Abraham was, I am."

John 8:58 - NIV, NAB - in A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity "But although it is not possible to maintain that one who is himself mortal can make another immortal, yet this word of Christ not only sets forth, but affords immortality: certainly He is not man only who gives immortality, which if He were only man He could not give; but by giving divinity by immortality, He proves Himself to be God by offering divinity, which if He were not God He could not give. If Christ was only man, how did He say, "Before Abraham was, I Am? "

John 8:58 - NIV, NAB - in Pseudo-Gregory Thaumaturgus Twelve Topics on the Faith "How could it be said that the Son of God who is before the ages, and He who has appeared in these last times, are different, when the Lord Himself says, "Before Abraham was, I am; "

It must be interesting to point out that Jesus repudiated the Jews when he asked them: "How could David call him- ‘my Lord" if he were his son?" The following verses from the Gospel of Matthew are evidence that Jesus is not the one whom David is calling "my Lord."

Matthew 022:041! While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 022:042 Saying, What think ye of Christ? Whose son is he? They say unto him, the son of David. 022:043 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 022:044 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 022:045 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 022:046 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

1. Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." [This confirms that Jesus preached to worship One and Only God, not trinity.]

2. John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God. [Jesus has a God according to him; we know that God can't have a God?]

3. John 8:28 Jesus said, "I do nothing of myself" [Can a God be this dependant?]

4. John 14:28 Jesus said, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I am" [So, how can Jesus himself be a God?]

5. Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit" [God does not have spirit like Jesus did.]

6. Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows. [Or Jesus was lying to his followers, if he was God?]

7. John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he couldn't do a single thing of his own. [When a God became this helpless?]

8. John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice. [Or Jesus was lying again here, if he was God?]

9. Luke 5:16 Jesus prays to God. [Funny, if Jesus was God, then why he is praying to God? Since when and how a God has a God?]

10. Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD like Muslims do. [How would you explain this from the very Bible?]

11. Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Read the bible - many verses show that prophets fell on their face and prayed like Jesus did and like the muslims do till date

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