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Submitted by Lactantius Jr (United Kingdom), Sep 10, 2008 at 16:26

To sTs

You say "it is difficult for me to read all, I am too old for that," so I'll not attempt to answer all your many objections, because that would make an already lengthy response even longer, but will concentrate on the self-destructive claims that the Qur'an makes, with the massive testimony it gives to the Bible as the unchanged, unchangeable word of Allah, until Ibn Kazem came along ~400 years after Muhammad (who never rejected the Bible as corrupt), and first made the claim that the Jews and Christians had changed the Bible, which falsehood has been continued down to the present day, with Muslims erroneously claiming corruption of the Bible as a fixed ingredient of Islamic apologetics.

There is nothing explicitly stated in the Qur'an that teaches biblical corruption. In fact, the evidence actually proves the exact opposite, namely, that Muhammad and his first followers believed in the authenticity, purity and inspiration of the Holy Bible of their day; being identical to what we hold in our hands today, and I ask you sTs to quote a Qur'anic verse which states clearly and unmistakably that the Bible has been corrupted.

I again emphasise that I do not believe the Qur'an to be the word of the Biblical God. I do believe, however, that the Qur'an is the earliest record of the beliefs and practices of the first Muslims. As such, I refer to it solely for historical purposes, to show you that your own sources support the authenticity and reliability of the Holy Bible.

The dilemma facing you sTs is quite plain. To accept the Qur'an, is to accept its testimony that the Holy Bible is the preserved, uncorrupted, unchangeable Word of the One true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And yet, to accept the Holy Bible, is to reject both the Qur'an and Muhammad, who along with the first Muslims evidently thought that by appealing to the Holy Bible they would be verifying the prophetic claims of Muhammad.

Little did they realize, that their appeal to the Holy Scriptures for verification purposes, actually proves that Muhammad cannot be a true prophet in the line of authentic prophets, since he contradicts the message of God's true prophets and messengers, especially the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ, God's beloved unique Son.

On the other hand, to attack the Holy Bible is to discredit and reject the Qu'ran which confirms the authority, availability, and authenticity of the previous scriptures. Either way sTs, you can't win.

Muslims often quote the Surah's you have done, alleging they support their claim of Biblical corruption, so let's look at them, and I here gladly acknowledge my indebtedness to Sam Shamoun for his Qur'anic exegesis contained in The Quran Confirms the Bible Has Never Been Corrupted (parts 1 & 2) at



on which I draw heavily, and I start with Surah 5:12-15 (M.A.S.Haleem The Qur'an a New Translation)

"Allah took a pledge from the children of Israel. We made twelve leaders arise among them, and Allah said, ‘I am with you: if you keep up the prayer, pay the prescribed alms, believe in my messengers and support them, and lend Allah a good loan, I will wipe out your sins and admit you into Gardens graced with flowing streams. Any of you who now ignore this [pledge] will be far from the right path.' But they broke their pledge so We distanced them [from Us] and hardened their hearts. They distort the meaning of [revealed] words and have forgotten some of what they were told to remember: you (Prophet) will always find treachery in all but a few of them. Overlook this and pardon them: Allah loves those who do good. We also took a pledge from those who say, ‘We are Christians,' but they too forgot some of what they were told to remember, so We stirred up enmity and hatred among them until the day of Resurrection, when Allah will tell them what they have done. People of the Book, Our Messenger has come to make clear to you much of what you have kept hidden of the Scripture and to overlook much [you have done]. A light has now come to you from Allah, and a Scripture making things clear."

Muslims who allege the Bible has been corrupted, mistakenly assume that "distort the meaning of [revealed] words" implies that the previous scriptures have been tampered with.

Several responses are in order. First, even if this were the case this would only be referring to the Jews, and even then, not all of the Jews, with the Qur'an testifying there were many from the People of the Book who wouldn't deal falsely with God's Word:

"Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous. Surah 3:113-114

"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth ... After them succeeded an (evil) generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): ‘(Everything) will be forgiven us.' (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? AND THEY STUDY WHAT IS IN THE BOOK. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand? As to those WHO HOLD FAST BY THE BOOK and establish regular prayer, - never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." Surah 7:159, 169-170 Abdullah Yusuf Ali

Secondly, the passage says nothing about changing words from the text of Scripture. In fact, when we consult the earliest Muslim views, we soon discover that the Jews were accused of changing words by misinterpreting the text. In the words of early Muslim exegete Ibn Kathir, taken from his comments on Surah 5:13,15:

Then Allah informs us of the punishment He inflicted upon them when they violated His Covenant. Allah says, , that is, because they broke their pact, Allah expelled them from His Guidance. And so they will not accept their guilt. The verse, means THAT THEY MISINTERPRETED THE VERSES OF ALLAH, according to their own desires, and fabricated lies against Him. We ask Allah to save us from that ...

Allah informs us that He has sent His messenger Muhammad with the guidance and the religion of truth for all the people of the earth; Arabs and non-Arabs, illiterate and literate ... the Prophet has come to explain that which they have altered, misinterpreted and distorted and to ignore most of their unnecessary alterations. Al-Hakim reported in his Mustadrak, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, "Whoever disbelieves in stoning to death (Rajm) in Islam has indeed disbelieved the Qur'an and has no appreciation of Allah's verse, ; therefore, stoning to death is that which the People of the Scripture concealed." Al-Hakim said that the Isnad of this Hadith is Good. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Part 6 Surat An-Nisa', ayat 148 to 176 Surah Al-Ma'idah, ayat 1 to 181, abridged by Sheikh Muhammad Nasib Ar-Rafa'i [Al-Firdous Ltd., London, 2000 first edition], p. 128, 130-131; capital and underline emphasis ours)

Commenting on the same expression in 5:41, Ibn Kathir repeats:

that is, THEY MISINTERPRET THE WORDS AND ALTER THEM KNOWINGLY… (Ibid., p. 167; capital emphasis ours)

Ibn Kathir's comments on Surah 3:78 are also pertinent to this very issue:

Mujahid. Ash-Sha'bi, Al-Hassan, Qatadah and Ar-Rabi' bin Anas said that,

means, "They alter (Allah's Words)."

Al-Bukhari reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Ayah means they alter and add although none among Allah's creation CAN REMOVE THE WORDS OF ALLAH FROM HIS BOOKS, THEY ALTER AND DISTORT THEIR APPARENT MEANINGS. Wahb bin Munabbih said, "The Tawrah and Injil REMAIN AS ALLAH REVEALED THEM, AND NO LETTER IN THEM WAS REMOVED. However, the people misguide others by addition and false interpretation, relying on books that they wrote themselves." Then,

As for Allah's books, THEY ARE STILL PRESERVED AND CANNOT BE CHANGED." Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this statement ... (Tafsir Ibn Kathir – Abridged, Volume 2, Parts 3, 4 & 5, Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, verse 147, abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 196; bold and capital emphasis ours)

This is confirmed by Imam Al-Bukhari. In Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitaab Al-Tawheed, Baab Qawlu Allah Ta'ala, "Bal Huwa Qur'aanun Majeed, fi lawhin Mahfooth" (i.e. in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book "The Oneness of Allah", the Chapter on Surat Al-Borooj (no. 85), Verses 21, 22 saying, "Nay this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved.") we find in a footnote between 9.642 and 643:

"They corrupt the word" means "they alter or change its meaning." Yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of God. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly. [... and he continues to speak about how the Qur'an is preserved ...]

Source: http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Bible/ibnabbas.html

Turning to some words of the Lord Jesus Christ recorded in the New Testament that you quote, wrongly alleging that Jesus Christ is here denying His divinity, let's examine those words, and their proper interpretation.

"Why Do You Call me Good? Only God Is Good"

"As he was starting out on a trip, a man came running up to Jesus, knelt down, and asked, ‘Good Teacher, what should I do to get eternal life?' ‘Why do you call Me good?' Jesus asked. "Only God is truly good."

Mark 10:17-18

"Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: ‘Good teacher, what should I do to get eternal life?' Why do you call Me good?' Jesus asked him. ‘Only God is truly good.' "

Luke 18:18-19

Sometimes it is very important to know WHICH WORD to stress in a sentence. The following sentence with only 7 words in it, has 3 very different "plain meanings," depending on which of the 7 words is stressed:

"I never said she stole my wallet"

What is the meaning of this sentence? Did you think:-

"I NEVER said she stole my wallet" or
"I never said SHE stole my wallet" or
"I never said she stole my WALLET" ...

which mean totally different things, the problem being that in a written document, we don't have the intonation anymore, but then, we usually don't have "just one sentence" either, and the context will make clear what is the right intonation (and meaning) of a phrase, even if there are several possible meanings when taken in isolation.

So after this introduction for the proper "setting of the stage", lets go to the contentious text itself, remembering that a text (a source of information or authority) taken out of context (the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage, and can throw light on its meaning) is a pretext (a purpose or motive alleged, or an appearance assumed, in order to cloak the real intention or state of affairs).

Muslims quote Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19 so often, alleging that Jesus is denying His divinity, that I think a more detailed explanation of this specific misunderstanding is in order.

I have the impression, that when Muslims read this statement by Jesus, they stress it [in disregard of context] as: "Why do you call ME good?" as if Jesus is shocked, and emphatically denies His goodness, and is utterly opposed to such a statement. I want to show in what follows, that Jesus is not denying His goodness, but questioning this man's motives by asking him "WHY" do you call Me good?" because this man is "altogether too obsequious and effusive in his approach," and "before you address Me with such a title, you had better think soberly about what the implications are, and especially what they are for you."

Let's look at what the Bible really says, before we jump to conclusions too quickly. This event as recorded by Mark, chapter 10 :13-22 reads:-

"One day some parents brought their children to Jesus so He could touch them and bless them, but the disciples told them not to bother Him. But when Jesus saw what was happening, He was very displeased with His disciples. He said to them, ‘Let the children come to Me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these. I assure you, anyone who doesn't have their kind of faith will never get into the Kingdom of God.' Then He took the children into His arms and placed His hands on their heads and blessed them. As he was starting out on a trip, a man came running up to Jesus, knelt down, and asked, ‘Good Teacher, what should I do to get eternal life?' Why do you call Me good?' Jesus asked. ‘Only God is truly good. But as for your question, you know the commandments: Do not murder. Do not commit adultery. Do not steal. Do not testify falsely. Do not cheat. Honour your father and mother.' Teacher,' the man replied, ‘I've obeyed all these commandments since I was a child.' Jesus felt genuine love for this man as He looked at him. ‘You lack only one thing,' He told him. ‘Go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.' At this, the man's face fell, and he went sadly away because he had many possessions.

Firstly, we have to observe that this man is "praising Jesus highly" but then goes on to NOT obey what Jesus tells him he should do, to inherit the eternal life that he desires.

Some quick remarks about the context. Jesus has just taught the people that to enter the kingdom of God (= get eternal life), we need to accept it as a gift, just like the children who have no inhibitions in accepting gifts. Jesus tells us that we have to "unlearn" our adult behaviour of "having to earn everything" because we cannot earn God's favour and grace, but have to accept it as a free gift of love. And the next we read is that this man comes up and asks "what MUST I DO to inherit eternal life". This shows how much doing is entrenched in our nature, and how hard it is to accept the pure grace (unconditional, unearned, undeserved, unending love of God). God's grace is without pre-conditions but not without consequences. Whoever has tasted of God's grace, in thankfulness, will then strive to live a life which is pleasing to God.

We can only guess at why exactly this man is praising Jesus so highly when he approaches Him. Maybe he thought if he praises Jesus first, he might get a more favourable answer from him? One that is "easier to fulfill"? Isn't that a common approach of many people towards those who are (perceived to be) in authority on a certain issue? But Jesus looks through these smoke screens and goes right to the core problem. Jesus isn't swayed by this man's attempt to win His favour the wrong way. This doesn't mean that the man was a total hypocrite - just trying to manipulate a bit in his own favour. Jesus won't let him do so.

I think there are several indications that this man was very serious with his quest. He was a very religious man and had diligently observed the commandments of God. When Jesus gives him a short list of them, he responds that he has obeyed all these from his childhood to the present day. He was indeed a devout and committed believer. We should also observe that Jesus lists the second part of the Ten Commandments, which deal with our relationship with our fellow men -- the examination into the relationship of this inquirer with the first part (about our relationship with God) will come later.

But in all his diligent observance of God's law, there still was an insecurity whether that was "enough" to get him eternal life. This didn't let him rest in peace. He wanted to make sure that God would in the end accept him in the last judgment and grant him eternal life. This man had his priorities right at least on this part. He was concerned with this most important question of what do we have to do in this life to be in the right place after it is over, and we have to face the judgment of God.("It is appointed for all men to die once, and then comes the judgement." Hebrews 8:12).

And Jesus acknowledges the right and good desire of this man, we read that He looked at him and "He loved him". He sees that this man wants more and is serious about it, he knows this "religious observance of commandments" isn't "it" yet ` [otherwise he wouldn't have asked in this 'self humiliating way' of falling down before Jesus in front of a whole crowd]. Jesus sees the true desire of this man, and because of His love to him He tells him [after reviewing some basics = some of the Ten Commandments] what he needs for eternal life.

Jesus says: Give away what you have to the poor. Then you will have a treasure in heaven. And then FOLLOW ME.

This answer of Jesus cuts right through to the core of his problem. He was rich and his wealth and the security that comes with wealth, was too important for him to give up. He wanted eternal life, and he would have made great efforts to do many good deeds with his wealth and his abilities, no question about that. But giving it up completely? Trusting ONLY God and having his security in God ONLY? This was too much for him. He did get the answer that he needed. But it was also the answer that exposed his true heart. His wealth and position was more important than God. And he went away sad. At another time Jesus said: You cannot serve two masters. Either God or money.

"No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

Matthew 6:24

And Jesus' command revealed that though this man had kept all the "outward commandments of behaviour", he was guilty of breaking the first commandment "I am the Lord your God, you shall have NO other gods before me" Exodus 20:2-3. Nothing is allowed to take priority over God. For the man asking Jesus "what must I do?" it was money, security, position, ...

Yes, God is the source of all goodness and truth. [But God in the creation account pronounces His creation to be "very good" - a goodness derived from the One who made it. And there are many people called "good" in the Bible. Jesus has no problem with that at all. But Jesus points to the source of all goodness - and He doesn't say that He has nothing to do with this source.]

Jesus peels away the man's attempt to 'manipulate' in his favour. And He says to him, "don't use divine attributes for Me IF you are not willing to follow what I am going to tell you". Jesus does then make this clear to the rich young man, by showing him WHO [what] really is his 'god'. Jesus with this question "WHY do you call me good -- only God is good" and his exposure of the man's true heart makes clear that this statement has to be read as "Only call me "good" [meaning: (from) God], if you are prepared to fully submit to what I will tell you".

And though this does explain the statement, to fully understand the dynamic of this incident, we have to look even more carefully. There is much more. No prophet has ever talked in this "presumptious" way.

"How can I get eternal life?" is the question. "Follow ME!" is the answer that Jesus gives.

Do you see what He is claiming? He does NOT say, these are the teachings that God has given Me. Follow these rules and you will get to heaven. Neither did he just say, "follow God, submit to God", but he said "Follow ME!".

Jesus talks to this man as if it is in His hand to give eternal life. Follow Jesus and you have eternal life. And that by the way is a constant topic in the teaching of Jesus. And it is completely against the tradition of Jewish teachers, who are approached and chosen by their students. But none of the disciples chose Jesus. It is always Jesus Who comes up to them and "claims them" and commands them to follow Him.

Do I read into the text that Jesus connects "obtaining eternal life" with "following Him"? I don't think so. This is a constant theme of Jesus' teaching:

I AM the resurrection and the life, who believes in ME will live (eternally), even though he dies (physically); and whoever lives and believes in Me will never die (spiritually). -- John 11:25-26

I will give them eternal life and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand. -- John 10:28

In the Gospel of John alone there are 16 passages connecting the very words "eternal life" with faith in Jesus. And not only with the faith in Jesus, but that it is Jesus Himself who is GIVING this eternal life. Indeed Jesus several times says: I AM the LIFE.

I cannot understand how Muslims such as Shabir Ally (of the Toronto Dawah Center) for example, can read this and conclude that Jesus never claimed to be God. Half of Jesus' preaching is blasphemous if he was NOT God.

Jesus didn't say "I show you the way". He said "I AM the WAY"
Jesus didn't say "I tell you about the truth". He said "I AM the TRUTH,"
Jesus didn't say "Following my words might give you a chance at eternal life".
He said "I AM the LIFE". -- John 14:6

Jesus said: Follow me. [dozens of times]

Back to our text in Mark chapter 10, the next 5 verses (23-27) being:-

"Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, ‘How hard it is for rich people to get into the Kingdom of God!' This amazed them. But Jesus said again, ‘Dear children, it is very hard to get into the Kingdom of God. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!'

The disciples were astounded. ‘Then who in the world can be saved?' they asked. Jesus looked at them intently and said, ‘Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.' "

There is a lot in this text which I don't go into right now, but it was the understanding of Jesus' disciples, that wealth is the visible blessing of God, and so they are astonished that Jesus says it is hard for rich people to get to heaven. They ask, if not even those on whom God's favour already rests, who then? Jesus says, humanly it is impossible. NO MAN can enter heaven out of his own power. Jesus goes back to the teaching He was giving just before this man came up to him.

Like the Children we have to receive it from God as a gift. With MAN it is impossible [out of his own righteousness and good deeds], but God makes it possible [by His grace]. It isn't free of cost though. It does cost a hefty price to get to heaven. In fact, the cost is so high that no man can pay it. Therefore it is impossible with man. God has to pay, so that we can come in for free. What is the price for entering heaven? Let us read on, it is all in the next 4 verses (28-31) of text.

"Then Peter began to mention all that he and the other disciples had left behind. ‘We've given up everything to follow You,' he said. And Jesus replied, ‘I assure you that everyone who has given up house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or property, for My sake and for the Good News, will receive now in return, a hundred times over, houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property--with persecutions. And in the world to come they will have eternal life. But many who seem to be important now will be the least important then, and those who are considered least here will be the greatest then.' "

Leaving ... to follow Jesus results in receiving ... eternal life.

How? How is this price paid that offers us heaven and eternal life which we can't possibly earn on our own? Just read on, it is all there:- Mark 10:32-34

"They were now on the way to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking ahead of them. The disciples were filled with dread and the people following behind were overwhelmed with fear. Taking the twelve disciples aside, Jesus once more began to describe everything that was about to happen to Him in Jerusalem. When we get to Jerusalem,' He told them, ‘the Son of Man will be betrayed to the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. They will sentence Him to die and hand Him over to the Romans. They will mock Him, spit on Him, beat Him with their whips, and kill Him, but after three days He will rise again."

and in Mark 10:45 we read:-

"For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give My life as a ransom for many."

Jesus' death on the cross is the price. There He will pay the price for our sin and ransom us from hell. Jesus, AGAIN predicts His death and resurrection and also says WHY it is going to happen.

Jesus didn't die? Why does He talk about it then all the time? Jesus never said He was God? Really?

The evidence is all over the place. Even in the very passages which Muslims think strengthen their case against the deity of Christ. If you look closer and read it carefully, even those who do not believe it should be able to see it. I am quite confident that you can give me nearly any chapter of the Gospels sTs, and I can show you Jesus' explicit or implicit claim to be God.["I am the resurrection and the life" is explicit in my eyes, while Jesus' comparison of His body with the Temple of God [God's dwelling place] is an implicit claim.]

Summary and Conclusion:

The statement/question by Jesus "Why do you call Me good? Only God is good" does ask the rich young man for his motivation in praising Jesus. And it admonishes him not to attribute to Him a quality which he is ultimately not willing to accept and act upon in obedience. Jesus does not reject that this attribute is appropriate for Him, but more than just "any praise" Jesus desires that the praise that is offered to Him is true and genuine. Furthermore, this passage contains some clear statements that link eternal life with our relationship to Jesus.

These claims would be blasphemous if indeed Jesus were just a man like any other prophet. Only God is the giver of life. So, this very passage contains a quite strong (implicit) claim to divine status.

By taking such statements out of their immediate and overall contexts, the impression is given that the Lord Jesus is actually denying He is God, since He denies that He is good in the sense that God is good

In the first place, Jesus didn't say "I am not good, only God is good", but simply poses a question to the man to think more deeply about the implications of his words. The implication being that if Jesus is good, and only God is good, then Jesus is God. Again, note the logic behind this:

  1. God alone is (absolutely) good.
  2. Jesus is (absolutely) good.
  3. Therefore, Jesus is God.

If the man truly believed this, then he must be willing to abandon everything for Christ. This is precisely what Jesus demanded:

"And looking at him, Jesus felt love for him, and said to him, ‘One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, FOLLOW ME.'"

Mark 10:21

Jesus demands a devotion that is to be given solely to God. This is clearly seen in light of the fact that Jesus' demand was made right after the man had indicated his observance to the last six commands of the Ten Commandments. These commands were given to govern a person's relationship with others. The first four commandments govern a person's devotion to God. The man's trouble was that he loved money more than God, and hence his money became an idol. He had to be willing to die to his idolatry by giving it up in order to devote himself completely to the pure worship of God.

Yet, amazingly, Jesus never asked the man to follow the first four commandments, or to follow God completely, but directed the man to follow Him. The reason being, is that to wholeheartedly follow the Lord Jesus is to fulfill one's obligation to God. Thus, Jesus was implicitly claiming to be God since He was clearly saying that to follow Him is to follow God, to obey Him is to obey God, to love Him is to love God. Therefore Jesus is God!

Why do we call Him good sTs? Because He is - AND He is the Lord God.

Your saying "The Gospel of Barnaba is earlier than any Gospel exist on earth. rejected by the church, because the name of Mohammad is written their" prompts a careful examination of just what the GOB ("Gospel of Barnabas") does say, so here goes.

GOB ("Gospel of Barnabas)

The ‘GOB is bad news for both Muslims and Christians, and nearly everybody who has studied it, including many Islamic scholars, consider it to be a forgery from the Middle Ages, it contains historical, geographical, climatic and internal inaccuracies, that is, it is self-contradictory. There are plenty of contradictions between GOB and the Bible, and between GOB and the Qur'an.

The Muslim scholar Cyril Glassé states:

As regards the "Gospel of Barnabas" itself, there is no question that it is a medieval forgery. A complete Italian manuscript exists which appears to be a translation from a Spanish original (which exists in part), written to curry favor with Muslims of the time. It contains anachronisms which can date only from the Middle Ages and not before, and shows a garbled comprehension of Islamic doctrines, calling the Prophet "the Messiah", which Islam does not claim for him. Besides its farcical notion of sacred history, stylistically it is a mediocre parody of the Gospels, as the writings of Baha'Allah are of the Koran.

The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p. 64

Some Ways in which the Gospel of Barnabas contradicts the Qur'an

According to the ‘Gospel of Barnabas', Jesus expressly denies that he is the Messiah, whilst the Quran, says the Messiah is Jesus. eg. Surah's 3:45, 4:157, 4:171, 4:172, 5:17, 5:72, 5:75, 9:30 & 9:31 So, the Qur'an teaches that Jesus is the Messiah, and it never teaches that Muhammad is the Messiah:Jesus confessed and said the truth, "I am not the Messiah……..I am indeed sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation; but after me shall come the Messiah ". (GOB chaps. 42&48). Then said the priest: "How shall the Messiah be called?" ... (Jesus answered) "Muhammed is his blessed name" (GOB chap. 97).

GOB further compounds this confusion. For while it has Jesus denying that He is the Messiah, amazingly, the first words of "Barnabas" following his introductory title, read: "Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ ..."According to GOB, Jesus is called Christ, but he is not called Messiah.
Despite Barnabas being a Jew from Cyprus, probably speaking both
Greek and Hebrew, and his obvious familiarity with the Bible,
"Barnabas" does not know that Messiah (Hebrew) and Christ (Greek)
are identical in meaning.
• The Qur'an (2:29) says that the Heavens are seven in number, while GOB gives the number as nine (178). • According to GOB man is endowed with a free will.(164). On the contrary, man only does what Allah wills him to do (Quran - 76:30, 37:96, 17:13, 10:99-100). • Adam was not the first man circumcised as GOB says (23). According to the Qur'an, Abraham was. • According to GOB (3), Mary brought forth her son without pain. This is contradicted by the Qur"an (19:23). • The Qur'an follows the Mosaic law of "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth", "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. Exodus 21:22-25 But just at look at what Jesus has to say about this Mosaic Law:- "Here's another old saying that deserves a second look: ‘Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' Is that going to get us anywhere? Here's what I propose: Don't hit back at all. If someone strikes you, stand there and take it." Matthew 5:38whereas GOB says "... ye shall not overcome evil with evil, but
rather with good" * (81). "Woe unto them that call for vengeance ..." (63).
"... kiss the hand of those who revile thee, and present gifts to those who
persecute thee and strike thee much" (64).

* compare this with these words from Paul's New
Testament letter to the Romans:-

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes
of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath,
for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord. On the
‘If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.'
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
Romans 12:17-21

• The Qur'an approves of polygamy. GOB does not tolerate it (115).

• The Qur'an approves abrogation. GOB condemns it (38).

• The Qur'an condemns eating pork but GOB says "that which entereth

into the man defileth not the man, but that which cometh out of the man defileth
the man" (32), sounding very much like words spoken by Jesus Christ and recorded in the New Testament at Matthew 15:11

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

• "Barnabas" totally ignores the existence of Jesus' cousin John, the Baptiser (Yahya ibn Zakariyya), whilst the Qur'an speaks very highly of him, saying for example:-

"O Zakariya! We give thee good news of a son: His name shall be Yahya: on
none by that name have We conferred distinction before."
Surah 19:7

Nowhere in GOB is any mention made of John the Baptiser, who is a very
prominent and important figure in the New Testament witness to the coming
Messiah, the one commissioned to be the forerunner or the witness of the
coming of Jesus Christ. John's primary mission was to confirm that Jesus was
the Messiah, the "Anointed One" of God. The author of GOB completely
omitted any reference to John the Baptist. In his attempt to make Muhammad
the Messiah, he makes Jesus to be witness to this, thus eliminating any need
for the mission of John the Baptist. By now it should be clear that all of this
is contradictory to the teaching of the Qur'an!

You should stop mentioning GOB if you believe the Qur'an means what it
says STs, but since you're not prepared to believe what the Qur'an says
about the Bible, why should you believe what it says about GOB? But these
are your problems, all I can do, is to give you the information, and what you
do with it is your responsibility.

With kind regards and best wishes

Lactantius Jr


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Angry Eye [104 words]sTsAug 25, 2008 12:01130232
translating Surah 18:86 [154 words]Lactantius JrAug 26, 2008 17:11130232
100% sure Angry Eye [162 words]sTsAug 28, 2008 05:43130232
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meaning of the Quranic words [127 words]sTsAug 30, 2008 06:25130232
"Qur'anic words continued" [497 words]Lactantius JrAug 31, 2008 10:51130232
Ignorance is an excuse [317 words]sTsSep 1, 2008 10:09130232
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7"Bible corruption, what Bible corruption? what does the Qur'an say/" [2894 words]Lactantius JrSep 5, 2008 19:20130232
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The Refugee Curse [62 words]Caryl WeissMay 8, 2008 19:37128152
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Geno, You said the following"... [531 words]YnnatchkahMay 12, 2008 02:14128132
The core of the problem [221 words]Geno M.May 13, 2008 15:26128132
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Near and Middle East Futures [649 words]Charles W. ConnMay 8, 2008 14:38128125
No Comparison [67 words]Janusz LaskiMay 8, 2008 13:40128123
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Jennifer--it's envy [152 words]ClaireMay 9, 2008 20:45128117
God's Wrath [10 words]sTsMay 10, 2008 06:37128117
Is God Allah and God's Wrath [75 words]jennifer solisMay 11, 2008 03:02128117
Reply to Claire [163 words]jennifer solisMay 11, 2008 18:57128117
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Could you be more specific? [26 words]YnnatchkahMay 12, 2008 03:00128117
The Jewish Nation - Blessings, Chastisement, Blessings Again- Because They Were Chosen of Almighty God in His Love [1284 words]M. ToveyMay 12, 2008 12:07128117
Want answers? Read Quran [53 words]Que BeMay 12, 2008 14:00128117
God's Wrath [52 words]sTsMay 13, 2008 02:25128117
YOU FLATTER YOURSELF [210 words]jennifer solisMay 13, 2008 02:51128117
read my reply to claire [13 words]sTsMay 13, 2008 03:00128117
Here is the reciting of God's Wrath [435 words]sTsMay 13, 2008 08:04128117
Seriously - Only the WORD of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Controls Israel's Future [285 words]M. ToveyMay 13, 2008 15:50128117
Did Benjamin Franklin say it in 1934? [276 words]jennifer solisMay 13, 2008 18:59128117
What about Qur'anic instruction for it's followers? [50 words]jennifer solisMay 14, 2008 01:12128117
our dear Jennifer and her Torah [83 words]Que BeMay 14, 2008 11:26128117
1HaShem and Allah NOT the same [302 words]SadhasivMay 14, 2008 13:20128117
Why should she read a book full of errors? [27 words]Devasahayam (ex Sadhasiv)May 14, 2008 19:15128117
See my 13:20 post, under my old handle of Sadhasiv [24 words]DevasahayamMay 14, 2008 19:31128117
Allah is not the God of the Bible [114 words]jennifer solisMay 14, 2008 20:46128117
Forged Bible [29 words]sTsMay 14, 2008 23:42128117
Babylons [46 words]sTsMay 15, 2008 00:14128117
No, Jennifer and the BIBLE [304 words]jennifer solisMay 15, 2008 00:46128117
Yes we know [188 words]sTsMay 15, 2008 15:19128117
Israel Still In the Hands of Israel's Eternal Sovereign - Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and His WORD. [227 words]M. ToveyMay 15, 2008 15:57128117
The best sources to check are ex-Muslims [43 words]DevasahayamMay 15, 2008 16:05128117
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Reply to Devasahayam [223 words]jennifer solisMay 15, 2008 19:24128117
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- not an excuse [137 words]sTsMay 16, 2008 03:04128117
--sTs [202 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 05:40128117
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Forged Bible? [27 words]Paul R.May 16, 2008 18:59128117
carry on [6 words]sTsMay 16, 2008 19:00128117
This post... ! [77 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 20:08128117
Surprisingly, I never heard of Devasahayam Pillai [86 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 20:13128117
Only problem is their acting is quite "ham" [57 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 22:54128117
Get educated [51 words]sTsMay 17, 2008 04:08128117
Keep blind [14 words]sTsMay 17, 2008 04:13128117
Get off the "Kool-Aid" [23 words]DevasahayamMay 17, 2008 08:18128117
I looked up Pillai's bio [286 words]DevasahayamMay 17, 2008 08:41128117
Amusing - who's the London pastor? [38 words]jennifer solisMay 17, 2008 20:52128117
Lies beget lies [32 words]jennifer solisMay 17, 2008 21:12128117
And you prove my points AGAIN [20 words]DevasahayamMay 17, 2008 21:47128117
Pot calling CLEAN kettle black [20 words]DevasahayamMay 17, 2008 21:49128117
Worthless [16 words]sTsMay 18, 2008 01:42128117
The pastor's name is Asif Mall [15 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 04:31128117
Another anecdote of Asif Mall [147 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 07:40128117
A factoid for you Anne [67 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 08:55128117
Jennifer solis is unreliable source - don't believe her [174 words]sTsMay 19, 2008 13:19128117
Jennifer - Kill in the Bible [343 words]sTsMay 19, 2008 13:23128117
Oh, not difficult to short-out their warped imaginations [208 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 15:27128117
Amusing how deep sTs is willing to dig himself [90 words]DevasahayanMay 20, 2008 06:05128117
sTs has a "mac daddy" lie this time [262 words]jennifer solisMay 20, 2008 21:04128117
sTs - those who were killed in the Bible [143 words]jennifer solisMay 20, 2008 21:41128117
No imagination [92 words]jennifer solisMay 20, 2008 21:59128117
1The Holy Bible Stands Alone in Regards to Truth About Israel - the Quran Cannot Corroborate What It Does not Believe [617 words]M. ToveyMay 21, 2008 11:28128117
Another factoid quote [156 words]DevasahayamMay 21, 2008 13:52128117
lying and being deceitful [266 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 01:52128117
you don't understand the Quran [181 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 02:11128117
GOD FORBID [389 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 03:30128117
Caste system is basically a pernicious, persistent cancer [54 words]DevasahayamMay 22, 2008 06:01128117
The Righteous in His Sight Have Nothing to Fear - He Forbids Only Those Who Seek To Controvert His Word [1198 words]M. ToveyMay 22, 2008 17:46128117
Mistake in the Bible [712 words]sTsMay 23, 2008 00:00128117
Does aya 9.111 use the word "Kitab"? [458 words]jennifer solisMay 23, 2008 01:54128117
Moses is like Muhammad? [72 words]jennifer solisMay 23, 2008 02:15128117
The Destruction of the Israelites [545 words]sTsMay 23, 2008 15:25128117
Read the Holy Bible for the Truth It Contains - Do Not Chase the Mirages of False Scholarship That Ends in Disbelief [895 words]M. ToveyMay 23, 2008 18:14128117
Linguistics of the Times Dictated More than One Tongue [148 words]M. ToveyMay 23, 2008 18:24128117
iskandar mirza [21 words]sTsMay 24, 2008 02:25128117
I am stunned and confused [431 words]sTsMay 24, 2008 12:11128117
Moses like Mohammad [161 words]sTsMay 24, 2008 12:38128117
The tongue of the Quran is Arabic [152 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 01:51128117
Mistakes in the Bible [450 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 07:01128117
Genesis and Deuteronomy - reply to sTs [430 words]jennifer solisMay 26, 2008 02:28128117
"Kitab" means "Bible" in the Qur'an - why are you confused, sTs? [81 words]jennifer solisMay 26, 2008 02:44128117
Mohammad like Moses [967 words]sTsMay 27, 2008 03:31128117
Kittab - Bible - Torah [286 words]sTsMay 27, 2008 06:33128117
Debunking comparison of Moses with Mohamed [113 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 11:17128117
The Hebrew Holy Scriptures is in Arabic as Well [465 words]M. ToveyMay 27, 2008 11:37128117
The Only Mistake About the Holy Bible is in Rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior While Reading It. [307 words]M. ToveyMay 27, 2008 12:33128117
Discerning Truth Versus Error [292 words]M. ToveyMay 27, 2008 18:40128117
re: mistakes of the bible [102 words]jordanian princeMay 28, 2008 12:37128117
Minor Correction - Israeli King David is Not the Sole Author of the Psalms. [80 words]M. ToveyMay 28, 2008 16:03128117
There is no error - read inside [348 words]sTsMay 28, 2008 16:23128117
Other prophets did miracles [98 words]sTsMay 28, 2008 17:28128117
This is getting repetitive [65 words]jennifer solisMay 28, 2008 17:46128117
No Error in Believing the Truth of the Holy Bible and of the Bible's LORD, Jesus Christ. [632 words]M. ToveyMay 28, 2008 17:55128117
This is getting repetitive - part II [74 words]jennifer solisMay 28, 2008 18:05128117
This is getting repetitive - part III [173 words]jennifer solisMay 28, 2008 19:01128117
Some believe it does say [7 words]sTsMay 30, 2008 01:15128117
unbeliever's aggression [187 words]sTsMay 30, 2008 01:32128117
1orgins of samaritans [100 words]sTsMay 30, 2008 15:11128117
falsifying History [331 words]sTsMay 30, 2008 17:17128117
Repeating Lies is Not Good Representation of Truth [19 words]M. ToveyMay 30, 2008 22:31128117
There Needs To Be Better Reference Than This To Describe The Samaritans of Jesus Christ's First Appearance [31 words]M. ToveyMay 30, 2008 22:37128117
No reply on Mohammad vs Moses [20 words]sTsMay 31, 2008 01:15128117
(True) analogy of Muslims from UCalgary [250 words]DevasahayamMay 31, 2008 08:30128117
Yes, I did reply, sTs [21 words]jennifer solisMay 31, 2008 21:02128117
No-name unbelievers [123 words]jennifer solisMay 31, 2008 23:21128117
Matthew 9:6 [567 words]jennifer solisJun 1, 2008 02:41128117
What proof you want I will show you [70 words]sTsJun 1, 2008 03:58128117
look up history of the samaritans [54 words]sTsJun 1, 2008 04:02128117
Here are some proofs for you [769 words]sTsJun 1, 2008 09:04128117
Moses vs Mohammad [44 words]sTsJun 1, 2008 15:50128117
sTs, more proofs for you [537 words]InfidelJun 2, 2008 02:02128117
ugly command in the bible [240 words]sTsJun 2, 2008 05:37128117
Somewhat like neo-Nazis [17 words]DevasahayamJun 2, 2008 10:49128117
An extra aside [38 words]DevasahayamJun 2, 2008 14:28128117
No proof - look up my comments [49 words]sTsJun 2, 2008 16:04128117
Mohammad is not like Moses [508 words]jennifer solisJun 2, 2008 19:00128117
sTs -day dreamer [146 words]SpaJun 3, 2008 03:07128117
3wrong understanding of God's promise to the Jews [887 words]kid berthaJun 3, 2008 12:36128117
Reply to jennifer [317 words]sTsJun 4, 2008 02:04128117
Not all Muslims think like you, sTs [767 words]jennifer solisJun 4, 2008 03:38128117
The jews throughout the centuries [191 words]sTsJun 4, 2008 14:09128117
Ignorance is not an excuse [17 words]sTsJun 4, 2008 14:14128117
Who is that GREAT NATION [16 words]sTsJun 4, 2008 14:17128117
Try me [26 words]sTsJun 4, 2008 14:24128117
naive [32 words]sTsJun 5, 2008 13:23128117
sfb/sts past daydreaming stage, Spa [56 words]DevasahayamJun 5, 2008 13:40128117
sTs [189 words]spaJun 6, 2008 01:14128117
who is dreaming or a myth [110 words]sTsJun 6, 2008 11:13128117
2Moriah vs Marwah [189 words]sTsJun 7, 2008 15:45128117
contradiction [174 words]kid berthaJun 9, 2008 10:37128117
sts start the dialogue -but should be logical [116 words]spaJun 10, 2008 01:57128117
sts [193 words]spaJun 10, 2008 02:44128117
Mistakes in the Bible [690 words]sTsJun 10, 2008 04:13128117
Ishmael & Isaac [205 words]sTsJun 10, 2008 16:22128117
Check Marwah on the internet [206 words]sTsJun 11, 2008 03:42128117
HOW CAN I MAKE A DIALOGUE WITH YOU? [259 words]SPAJun 12, 2008 01:59128117
Funny person [36 words]sTsJun 13, 2008 03:14128117
sTs-- I know A muslim cannot make any logical dialogue on anything in the universe [258 words]spaJun 16, 2008 02:19128117
Explain the Ishmael / Isaac issue [80 words]sTsJun 17, 2008 08:48128117
hey latecomer if you feel that something is wrong come with proof [105 words]spaJun 19, 2008 04:36128117
60 years [259 words]steven LMay 8, 2008 13:07128115
Israel Predicament at 60 [88 words]Alvin SamuelsMay 8, 2008 12:11128113
Interesting [112 words]Peter HerzMay 8, 2008 11:43128109
several points [480 words]John W. McGinleyMay 8, 2008 11:16128106
A bleak neighbourhood [215 words]Ian CampbellMay 8, 2008 10:30128101
ENTIRE ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT EXPAINED IN LESS THAN 20 LINES [153 words]G. MarcusMay 8, 2008 10:16128099
Reply to G Marcus [23 words]SadhasivMay 9, 2008 12:36128099
Once again, Israel forever [158 words]Rebecca MouldsMay 8, 2008 09:54128096
What were "they" thinking! [46 words]Patricia TorpisMay 8, 2008 08:08128089
Key may be in the timing (speculative) [99 words]DevasahayamMay 20, 2008 11:43128089
Israel's Predicament at 60: World's worst neighbourhood [322 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyMay 8, 2008 07:13128082
Fazal, your post is full of lies [205 words]SadhasivMay 9, 2008 12:55128082
Reply to Sadhasiv [504 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyMay 9, 2008 23:09128082
Pakistan Problem [188 words]ThiaganMay 11, 2008 02:09128082
Pakistani delusion [79 words]BalajiMay 11, 2008 03:03128082
Pakistan Problem [1073 words]ThiaganMay 12, 2008 05:59128082
Take your own "advice" ... [85 words]SadhasivMay 13, 2008 11:12128082
Reply to Thiagan [25 words]jennifer solisMay 14, 2008 02:00128082
Thiagan, you need to read Bible (Old Testament) for better info [390 words]SadhasivMay 14, 2008 11:45128082
More info from Bible [105 words]SadhasivMay 14, 2008 15:35128082
On a look out of weaker prey!!! [339 words]MansoorMay 14, 2008 23:53128082
Thanks for your support [9 words]MansoorMay 15, 2008 00:15128082
Excellent point Jenn [29 words]DevasahayamMay 15, 2008 07:58128082
check some real info rather than your propaganda [243 words]DevasahayamMay 15, 2008 22:14128082
A note for Thiagan [40 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 09:05128082
As with Fazal [40 words]DevasahayamMay 17, 2008 08:21128082
Open up!!! [99 words]MansoorMay 17, 2008 10:54128082
Strange comments [349 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 04:59128082
Mansoor's Allah Punishment [94 words]BalajiMay 19, 2008 06:07128082
Already revealed [93 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 22:33128082
I agree at least on this issue [127 words]MansoorMay 20, 2008 03:25128082
IS THAT SO??? [290 words]mohammedMay 20, 2008 08:37128082
GREAT [283 words]mohammedMay 20, 2008 09:57128082
Also another detail he forgot (and assumed conveniently) [151 words]DevasahayamMay 20, 2008 11:10128082
Still you quote a myth [215 words]DevasahayamMay 20, 2008 16:28128082
On Ismail [149 words]DevasahayamMay 20, 2008 18:56128082
Devasahayam - Mansoor [274 words]BalajiMay 21, 2008 02:41128082
mohammed's posts show naziesque mentality [31 words]DevasahayamMay 21, 2008 05:44128082
ismail? [192 words]mohammedMay 23, 2008 08:19128082
Ishmael [12 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 03:27128082
Mistake in the Bible [11 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 03:28128082
ok [37 words]mohammedMay 26, 2008 05:16128082
I am willing to contribute [154 words]sTsMay 27, 2008 06:45128082
ok [69 words]mohammedMay 28, 2008 06:56128082
Pakistan prablem [51 words]joeJun 8, 2008 10:23128082
Read my point on re-assessment [109 words]DevasahayamJun 10, 2008 11:48128082
pakistanis live in a fantasy world [261 words]dc batemanJan 4, 2011 09:58128082
Canadian Liberal Party - always anti Israel ( but do not tell that to Canada's Jews) [224 words]james burkeMay 8, 2008 06:44128079
Good points, jim [53 words]SadhasivMay 9, 2008 13:03128079
Also, vultures came home to roost for Grits [101 words]DevasahayamMay 19, 2008 08:42128079
More info on Canada wrt Muddle East [156 words]DevasahayamMay 22, 2008 13:41128079
How to celebrate Israel at 60: 1) retake Sinai 2) Nuke Tehran [169 words]James BurkeMay 8, 2008 06:34128077
Seeking a Hopeful Example for Israel's Future Existence [99 words]Ellen Ben-EliahuMay 8, 2008 05:12128063
Interesting what Dr. Pipes exposed about the quintet [241 words]YnnatchkahMay 8, 2008 04:54128061
Israel at 60 [69 words]DAVID R. GROESBECKMay 8, 2008 04:30128060
India at 60 - With world's worst Neighbourhood [229 words]kamekishMay 8, 2008 02:27128053
Kamekish said it right, except for... [139 words]M.D'SouzaMay 9, 2008 11:36128053
New emerging threat in South Asia an alliance between Leftists and Islamists [1206 words]Amitabh TripathiMay 12, 2008 08:41128053
Hindus Are Americans' Ally? [309 words]kamekishMay 13, 2008 01:31128053
Extra info for M. D'Souza [183 words]SadhasivMay 14, 2008 06:12128053
1Quite unsurprising- Islam (crescent/star) and communism (hammer/sickle) [121 words]SadhasivMay 14, 2008 08:17128053
India Is Helplessly Crying [238 words]kamekishMay 15, 2008 04:30128053
Monuments in India left by Muslims? [174 words]M.D'SouzaMay 15, 2008 08:37128053
Good points [79 words]DevasahayamMay 15, 2008 19:22128053
Re-assessment [55 words]DevasahayamMay 16, 2008 09:10128053
1India is great [34 words]baneeshkhanJun 9, 2008 01:36128053
what is the faith of the chrisitans of India [99 words]baneeshkhanJun 9, 2008 07:25128053
Wrong in lots of ways [35 words]DevasahayamJun 10, 2008 11:38128053
Christians are persecuted mainly by Muslims. [104 words]spaJun 25, 2008 00:00128053

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