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"Common Cause" Issue
Reader comment on item: John Hagee, the Holocaust, and Me: Thinking about Allies

Submitted by sammish (United States), Jun 3, 2008 at 11:49

Mr. Pipes,

Although I understand that Israel as a democratic state needs all its proponents it can bring to the fold or its "cause", there are however fundamental questions that any person needs to ponder upon when it comes to defining this "cause". I agree that you do not need to explain to others the reasons for this ideological symbiosis with Hagee, you nonetheless gave a reason: "working on the common cause". My question is: what is this "cause"? One is drawn to believe that this cause is ultimalely the unconditional support to Israel. I find this claim tautological.

I believe that there are two "causes" that need to be entangled from each other to see perhaps why they should, if ever need be, to enter into a "marriage of convience". There is a Jewish/ Israeli cause, which is that of survival, strength and the unimmutable fundamental right to exist. And there is the religiously charged redemption "cause" of humanity proposed by Hagee.

This is hardly a simple theological argument, it has its political ramifications. His cause only happens to be contingent on the support of Israel as a state. In a sense, Hagee's cause is not ultimaletly the same cause of Israel. In other words, I see the cause of Hagee (support for Israel) as mean to an end not an end unto itself. His views of the end, is without a doubt problematic to the Jewish civilization and humanity itself. And I believe that is what many poeple are trying to convey about the issues associated with the televangelist.

However, in truth and given the global and regional political situation, it is foolish if not short-sighted to criticize and then alienate Hagee and his large followers. This is the dilemma, but should not deter us from looking at the complex issue from the other side. How many times in history were the Jewish people in this kind of predicament?


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Daniel Pipes replies:

I don't think Hagee and certainly I do not offer unconditional support for Israel.

When one works on a political cause, as I wrote in my original blog, it is not necessary to analyse one's allies motives and goals to work together. Hagee is a valued ally; I would be surprised if he rejected my support due to our differences in outlook. I know I do not reject his.

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Interesting Observation of Hagee [88 words]Larry OakesOct 14, 2008 15:14
Pastor Hagee Must Await Moses - not Jesus. Because.. [259 words]IamJosephAug 29, 2008 23:45
Hey IamJoseph! [62 words]AhmadAug 31, 2008 00:46
Jesus the greatest of all [295 words]DanSep 10, 2008 15:20
John Hagee, The Holocaust and Me: Thinking about Allies [191 words]Debbie ShaferJul 28, 2008 17:05
Thank you Dr. Pipes [274 words]There is NO Santa ClausJul 24, 2008 15:40
john hagee supporting israel [53 words]rachaelJul 21, 2008 16:35
I'll take "enemies" like John Hagee anyday over "friends" like B. Hussein Obama [42 words]Joe KaffirJul 13, 2008 21:12
I regret only distance precludes me from being in the audience. I am Jewish. [14 words]AlanJul 4, 2008 06:48
taking a stand [24 words]m.j.sisemoreAug 23, 2008 17:00
Evangelical anti-Judaism undermines support for Israel
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Thank you for your candor! [542 words]Susan BrowneJul 11, 2008 15:34
Um... [172 words]Robert ParkerJun 11, 2008 13:38
ok [57 words]LynnJun 14, 2008 10:32
pertinent difference [163 words]bosJun 16, 2008 06:19
Pastor John Hagee is God's prophet to the Jewish people and the world [108 words]Margaret HoodJun 11, 2008 09:56
Hagee a prophet of Israel? I dont think so hunny [72 words]GabbyJun 23, 2008 10:27
Pastor Hagee is commended by many Jewish Rabbis for his love of the Jewish people [125 words]Margaret HoodJun 24, 2008 09:05
Really, it's not whether you stand by him or not, but your why's [578 words]RandJun 7, 2008 15:59
All Christians must support Israel, even with differences. 08 [114 words]Phil GreendJun 6, 2008 21:22
Hagee's ok by me, in fact more than ok [50 words]UIJun 6, 2008 11:06
Hagee: Speaks More Israeli than Israelis; Bigger Supporter of Israel than many left wing educated US Jewish people [39 words]james burkeJun 5, 2008 16:44
Bravo. Spine. [51 words]Charles StewartJun 5, 2008 00:57
Problem with Hagee's "support" of Israel [118 words]MichaelJun 4, 2008 14:15
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Thank you Daniel Pipes. [14 words]CindyJun 2, 2008 03:03
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CUFI and the Jewish people [28 words]Kevin FretzMay 30, 2008 17:38
Pastor John Hagee and all who are United for Israel.... thank you [154 words]Rochelle MichaelsMay 30, 2008 17:01
America must stand with Israel or be "Left behind" by a God who will curse those who don't. [144 words]Margaret HoodJun 24, 2008 09:18
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