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Oh Plato!!!

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in response to reader comment: Mansoor: What's wrong with pee? Your prophet advised camel pee for good health!

Submitted by Mansoor (Pakistan), May 3, 2008 at 06:55

Plato, why didn't you quote the full Hadith regarding Camel Urine? You always do that to obtain petty gain rather than providing ample opportunity to others to understand the clear message. Let me quote the Hadith in full for you (no matter you have already read that and tried to hide the part of it).

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"

First of all, let us clarify the reason and story behind the prescription. Some people had become very ill at the time of the prophet, and were suffering from an unknown illness. Their bellies had swollen and they were not in a fit state. Hence, the prophet said to them, that they would find a cure in the milk and urine of a camel and so he sent them out to an area where camels were grazing. These men went to this area and drank the milk and urine. Sure enough, just like the Prophet said, they were cured and became fit and healthy.

However, at the same time, evil thoughts entered their minds and they decided they wanted the camels for themselves. They therefore killed the owner, and made off with the camels. When news of the murder reached the prophet, he sent an envoy to capture the men, and when they were captured and brought before the prophet, capital punishment was meted out to them.

Having read this story, what do we conclude from it? The answering islam team would have us believe that this Hadith means that drinking camel urine is permissible in Islam. This is INCORRECT. The real meaning of this Hadith is that if a person needs to consume an impure and impermissible substance as a cure for an illness, and no other reasonable alternative is available, then it is permissible. In all other circumstances, camel urine is prohibited.

By the way, did you find any Hadith about people drinking camel urine in normal circumstances???? There is no point Urine is declared sacred in Islam...the disinformation is all done by the ugly minds of the disbelievers. Islam even allows "haram" (strictly prohibited) things to eat...when no other choice is left and you may fear of dieing in starvation in any incidental circumstances.

Regarding Achhoots, Wow!! You said yourself Mayavati and Karunanidhi are Achhoots...so you approve their cast is discriminated.!! Why running away from reality? Why can't you declare with strong chest that Cast system is the glory of Hinduism? Why you twist the question and run away from answering it? why? tell me why?

You never answered about treatment of widows in India, why would you? because you cannot hide your shame when truth is constantly insisted to be revealed and in response you have floated baseless charges regarding Islamic punishment to women... It is correct that woman should prove that either she was raped or her intention was also there. Usually a woman resists while being raped...and naturally she receives wounds or gets injury....It is a very delicate issue and Islam does not punish a woman unless sufficient evidence is available.

I would again repeat!!

>>Hindus don't have any right to discuss Islam because the moment they start discussion it will be hard for them to hide their face from crimes attributed to Hindu religion, the Satti, the shaving of head of widows, turning widow to only white dress and not even allowing them to wear a sandal or shoe..<<

Can you answer me in relevance this time?

Islam gives sufficient command to men to bring order in the family and society. Every organization has a Chief Executive, his decisions are to be honored and are never challenged or disobeyed because once this practice is encouraged..that person would loose the grip on the matters...Similarly men have been given charge of the family and responsibilities to ensures smooth running of the system.

You cannot compare Zam zam with guttered, polluted, poisoness Ganga...beware..of attempting this kind of statement again!!.

I know you would disagree again...but nobody can stop me from expressing my clear view point.

Submitting....

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