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Huzoor Bux: On flies, bees, honey, and garnering credit for informing us of Islam.

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Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 25, 2008 at 08:56

Salaam Huzoor,

You wrote:

>>" O Mankind, a parable has been set forth, so listen to it! Those to whom you appeal other than

Allah(God), can never create a fly, even though they combined togethar to do so.

If the fly should snatch anything from them, they would not even know how to recover it from it. How weak the seeker is and anything he seeks"! (Quran, Pilgrimage 22:73))<<

Allah had billions of years to create a fly. Humans have appeared on earth only very recently. But they managed to circumvent Allah's prohibition against crossing the seven heavens without his authority. A poster here showed us that Allah's heavens extends only about 500 kilometers above earth by quoting the nonsense science of Harun Yahya. Unbelievers in Allah have sent ships literally millions of kilometres above Allah's seven heavens.

Humans are well on the way to creating artificial life by putting together laboratory chemicals. Give us unbelievers another few hundred years and you will see much bigger things than flies created by man.

>>Allah(God) tells in Quran about the Creation of Man;

"We created man from an extract of clay; then We placed him as a drop of semen in a safe resting-place; then We turned the clot into tissue; and then We turned the tissue into bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We made it a new creation.Blessed be Allah(God),the best of Creators". (Quran)<<

I have no clue about embryology and so refrain from commenting, except to say that given Koranic cosmology, which is totally wrong, I am willing to bet this too is wrong. An embryologist reader could help.

But from what little I have read muscles and cartilage form before bone. So the part about turning tissue to bones and then clothing it with flesh is on a quick guess wrong.

>>Allah(God) tells in Quran About Bees And Honey;

"Your Lord has inspired the bees; set up hives in the mountains and in trees and anything they may build. They eat every kind of fruit and slip easily along your Lord s' byways. From their bellies comes a drink with different colours which contains healing for Mankind. In that is a Sign for people who meditate". (Quran,Bees 16:68-69).<<

Neither am I an entomologist. But this is the first I have heard of bees eating every kind of fruit. From my little knowledge of bees, they are known to eat pollen and nectar from flowers. The rest of this verse is something even Muhammad's forefathers would have known.

>>I Can't say anything about those persons who see and read clear Signs and yet have no belief in Allah(God), are most unfortunate. What are they talking about ,talking about their intellect,pity on thier Intellect if they are even not able to understand the clear Signs.<<

How does talking about everyday occurrences and facts already known for thousands of years become signs of Allah? Bees building hives in mountains and trees and giving honey is ordinary knowledge. But bees giving location of a food find by a dance was unknown until recently. Why did he Koran not mention that. Most of the science claimed to be in the Koran is wrong. The pitiful human intellect has deciphered the coded dance of bees.

What is clear in the Koran is that it says the sun and moon are in a race across the skies. We now know that the earth and moon are together in orbit around the sun. What the Koran is talking about is just the illusion that Muhammad had of the sun and moon in orbit around the earth.

Everyday occurances and objects cited as signs of Allah are not convincing. Anyone can cite them and claim these are signs of god.

>>Allah Surely you are seeing me that I'm conveying your message to all who are reading my message.

Oh Allah Truely who reject you are on wrong path,Oh Allah guide them on right path,the path of Your s'.

Oh Allah I'll be the Evident upon those who rejected you inspite of knowing you..........<<

Are you praying for us unbelievers sincerely or is it your intention to gain some credit with Allah for having informed us of His presence and get closer to paradise? This will not guarantee you heaven. The Koran gives you a sure shot path to Paradise and that is possible only by following what Sura 9:111 advises.

But pray, fast and do dawa all you like but still your reaching paradise is dependent on Allah's whim. He could decide you are fit only for hell. But 9:111 is a sure fire method to land up in heaven.

,>>Truth is Truth whethar anyone accepts or not......and Islam is the biggest Truth in Universe..........<<

Your underlined words are true. Just as it is true that the mountains are not pegs to stabilise the earth whether the Koran and Muslims accept it or not. Or just as it is true that the stars are not missiles to drive away the devil, whether the Koran accepts it or not. What does that make Islam?? The biggest truth or the biggest….?

>> Islam teaches Unity,Brotherhood,Fraternity,Greetings,Mutual help and Co-operation,Respect for Life, And Islam has no concern with Suicide bombings I believe!<<

There is one little thing you have not mentioned in this claim of yours. That Allah and his Prophet teach these great human qualities for practice exclusively by Muslims with other Muslims. They do not apply to people who are non-Muslims. Let me take you through your scriptures to prove what I am saying.

Unity: 9:29 tells you to subdue the unbelievers and impose a humiliation tax on them. Will this bring about unity between people of a country or of the world?

Brotherhood/Fraternity: This brotherhood and fraternity is only between Muslims and does not extend to non-Muslims. Read how Allah expects Muslims to behave with non-Muslims:

048.29 YUSUFALI: Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. …..

Greetings: I do not have them at hand but I have read hadith where the Prophet asks his followers to do the opposite of what the unbelievers do. So if he greets you politely, the Muslim should be rude to him. You sometimes see muslims with beards and no moustache. That is because ancient unbelievers had moustaches and no beards. This on the advise of the prophet.

Mutual help/Cooperation: 049.10 The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers;….

Respect for life: Read 9:111. It tells Muslims to go out and kill or be killed for Allah's sake and be guaranteed of paradise. Is this how Allah is telling you to respect life?

Islam and suicide: Bukhari Vol 5, Book 59 No 377 "A man came to the prophet and said, ‘Can you tell me where will I go if I get martyred?'The prophet replied, ‘To paradise,' The man fought till he was martyred.'

>>Islam also teaches Protocol with pubic business ,Rules for Discussion,Intervention and Reconciliation in case of Hostilities......<<

I am not surprised because Islam also teaches how to yawn, how to enter the toilet and which direction to face when in the toilet, how to beat your wife with a toothpick and so on ad infinitum.

Regards

Plato

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