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Ahmad: Would you emulate what your prophet did?
Reader comment on item: The Middle East's Tribal Affliction
in response to reader comment: response to Plato

Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 5, 2008 at 01:41

Ahmad, you wrote:

>>This comes down how you understand the principle of good deeds and reward.Muslims beleivie that if you are good person and do good deads you will go to heaven-god, willing.If you do bad, it makes sense that god will not send you to heaven! God is all knowing and so if he decides to call those who do not observe his laws and do good deeds some name and compare them to animals.I think he is entitled to do so.He is also encourages them to think about his creation.He also threatens them in other suras.Look god ultimately knows his creation better than we do(if you beleive in god).He knows that some people respond better to encouragment, others be reminding them about paradise and hell, others by reason(common sense)...etc. We humans do this daily in our lives!<<

Ahmad, you are right in saying that it comes down to how one understands the principle of good deeds. You will admit that for a Muslim every deed of Muhammed was not just good, but good of the highest category. Are you willing to examine some of the ‘good' deeds of Muhammed? I will divide his deeds into three categories. 1. The way he dealt with his critics. 2. What he did to some women. 3. How he treated people he considered his enemies or criminals.

  1. He had Kaf bin Ashraf assassinated for composing amatory verses about Muslim women and criticising him in verse (The Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Pg 367). He asked for the death of Asma bint Marwan a nursing mother and his faithful companions carried out his order. These are just two well-known cases. There were some others too who were murdered for being critical of the Prophet of the merciful (?) Allah.
  2. One mother of believers, Safiya, was married the day after he had her husband, uncles and other relatives killed. Her husband was tortured and killed. He took Rehana as his concubine after exterminating the entire adult male members of the Banu Quraiza tribe. He had all the women and children of the tribe sold into slavery (this by a man who Muslims say was trying to get rid of slavery!) (The Life of Muhammed, by Ibn Ishaq Pages 453-468). In his famous last sermon your prophet tells you that women are your prisoners, so feed them and treat them well!!! (Pg 651).
  3. Have you read about how and why Safiya's father as murdered. Kinana bin rabi, her father, was tortured to extract his tribe's wealth and when he refused was killed (Ibn Ishaq 515). In Ishaq pg 369: "The apostle said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power'. Thereupon Muhayysia leapt upon Ibn Sunaayna, a Jewish merchant….and killed him. (Ahmad, if you have a copy of Ibn Ishaq's book read further about what Islam does to its adherents). What he did to the Banu Quraiza has been elaborated by Ali Khalaf elsewhere for you.

Do these actions of your prophet come under the ‘principle of good deeds'? Allah I am sure has rewarded Muhammed for carrying out his orders on earth. Would you want to be in the same heaven that this mercy to all mankind has found abode?

regards

Plato


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Muslims from India and countries where they are minority./CIP [248 words]YnnatchkahFeb 25, 2008 23:17
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