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A Country Like Turkey Needs Its Own Space - It Should Not Be In Europe
Reader comment on item: Turkey, Still a Western Ally?
in response to reader comment: A Western Ally ?

Submitted by Marie (United Kingdom), Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26

I take it that you have never been to Turkey??

Actually I kind of believe that.

The Europeans are right to worry about Turkey.

The Turkish leader Tayyip Erdoğan has already said

Mosques are our barracks,
domes our helmets,
minarets our bayonets,
believers our soldiers.
This holy army guards my religion.

Almighty our journey is our destiny,
the end is martyrdom.

[Please save the Islam means Peace speech.]

Just a few years ago - he was trying to bring back a law that would punish people (mostly women) for committing adultery.

He, since being re-elected, has just put forth a law that would lower the status of women - so-to speak, in order that they be protected by their husbands and families.

I personally have travelled around Turkey, and the Turkish are not European, their mind set is largely Middle Eastern.

In Germany, where there is a large Turkish population, they are finding that on the whole the Turks don't want to adjust to the Western way of life. There are honor killings, one where, the younger brother was drafted to shoot his sister in the face, and when questioning other Turkish youths as to how they thought about it, they laughed openly and said that the young women was living like a German whore.

[There are also lots of restrictions placed on girls going school and the subjects that they learn, some object to girls learning biology.]

Germany has taken measures to restrict the amount of Turkish allowed in Germany. Those who do not accept that Germany is not an Islamic country and likely never will be, are no longer permitted to reside/immigrate to Germany. One main things that the majority of Turkish families try to do with their children, over and above a good education, is to marry them to someone (usually cousin) from Turkey. And the German, French, and Swedish governments have put measures in place to try to curb the practice of fetching marriages.

As far as Turkey join up with the Middle Eastern states - there may be a problem, as the Turkish Ottoman Empire, once controlled many Middle Eastern states and parts of North Africa. So there may be a lack of trust there.

To show you the Turkish mindset, one of the most popular books was Mein Kampf, until the German gov. asked Turkey to ban the book.

Personally I hope Turkey will never be allowed into the EU. A country like Turkey needs its own space. Turkey and Europe are heading in two different directions.


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Tired [112 words]MelDec 15, 2007 16:00
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Missing point and slogans. [115 words]melDec 8, 2007 22:26
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EU PROCESS ISLAMIZING TURKEY, NOT REFORMING IT ! [106 words]Secular TurkDec 7, 2007 03:19
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