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religion of peace - surely not islam
Reader comment on item: Saudi Arabian Airlines Cleans Up Its Act
in response to reader comment: In response to Esmeralda comment.

Submitted by Esmeralda (Slovakia), Sep 11, 2007 at 03:22

Dear Shuja,

ah, now ahadis and sirat is not valid?

damm, lately it was.. so, and what it will be tomorow?

so, you are this kind of embarassed moslem, who has some problem with hadiths (because of their controversy, they do not agree mutually what causes confusion), with Sirat (after reading Sirat, it is like to read a life of Stalin or Lenin, and moreover Ibn Ishaq did some autocensure, omitting the act, that could cause embarassment to moslems of those days- if those that are left are not enoug harsh.) - but, if you will declare hadis and sirat void, the quran alone is replete with contradictions, and even the abrogation theology system will be not very helpful. (btw - if there was no contradicton, no abrogation is needed, and the very abrogation business is tricky).

but, whitout ahadits, you do not have even Shahada, you dont know how to pray... how to fast, how to do ablution..by supressing ahadits you create even more problems.

so, you have a logical problem - on the one side, you want to prove the deep moral basis of islam (there are none, only such, that can be derived from a bunch of higwaymen) but hadis and Sirat is a heavy burden in this case. - because of high moral standards of others religions. - even the quran is a problem.

As for islam - only one problem is with islam - islam asks 110 % tolerancy, showing 0% tolerancy toward other faiths and thoughts. Only islam can consider posing a ham sandwich near moslem schoolmate as a hate crime...

as for atrocities - moslems are surely No.1.

the holocaust committed by Nazis is only small fraction of atrocities, done by moslems in India.. they are slaughtered much more people than Nazis, and they were equipped with the up-to day technology (gas, modern weapons)

i can cite you plenty moslem chronicles, bouncing with pride and showing their hands red of hindu blood.

killing about 10 000 hindus was the right way to feast Eid. or Ramadan or other feast .

btw - Afghanistan used to be a buddhist country. how many buddhist are there now? why?

and all this is based upon ayas, with due tafsirs. if you want, i can cite you plenty of them..

why are only moslems doing beheadings of peaceful thai people, with their only crime to be buddhists? on the world, there is 22 conflicts, and moslems are not involved only in 2 of them.

that is really the hallmark of peace.

now, there is a problem of "decent" moslems (but, if he/she is paying zakat, it is indirect support of terorism, so they are involved in it), what to do with the all stuff? how to save the good parts of islam (if there are any)?

that is your problem.

blessings

Esmeralda


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Emboldened Islam [123 words]KennyLLCDec 27, 2008 10:54
US to blame [38 words]santoshNov 6, 2008 08:54
Disgrace [25 words]Anglo-LibyanAug 1, 2008 14:08
Response to Shuja and others [239 words]VinodguptSep 5, 2007 07:34
responce to vinodgupt [63 words]concerned citizenSep 11, 2007 14:19
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Ban of non Islamic articles into Saudi Arabia. [128 words]ShujaAug 31, 2007 12:29
Reply on Shuja. [23 words]Jorge CordovaAug 31, 2007 17:36
another naive moslem [98 words]EsmeraldaSep 1, 2007 10:50
My response to Jorge Cordova's comment on my initial mail. [82 words]ShujaSep 1, 2007 19:48
My reponse to Esmeralda. [129 words]ShujaSep 1, 2007 20:08
You're mistaken, Shujah [419 words]DonSep 2, 2007 06:31
I see not lights in your house,why? [136 words]Jorge CordovaSep 3, 2007 20:05
Ahadits [161 words]EsmeraldaSep 4, 2007 03:41
Response to Esmaeralda. [113 words]ShujaSep 4, 2007 16:37
Islam is not a Religion [342 words]EsmeraldaSep 6, 2007 01:06
Shuja's beliefs are not necessarily Islamic beliefs [222 words]VinodguptSep 6, 2007 16:40
In response to Esmeralda comment. [178 words]ShujaSep 6, 2007 18:45
You're Muslim, Shuja? [133 words]DonSep 6, 2007 21:51
Followers of which relgion have committed most massacres? [258 words]VinodguptSep 8, 2007 07:41
Shujah, check it out [286 words]DonSep 8, 2007 09:44
Thanks for embrassing me in your faith. [35 words]ShujaSep 8, 2007 10:11
Thanks for your comments. [24 words]ShujaSep 8, 2007 10:20
Ignorance is bliss; [13 words]ShujaSep 10, 2007 17:12
Oh; You opened my eyes. [21 words]ShujaSep 10, 2007 17:18
⇒ religion of peace - surely not islam [475 words]EsmeraldaSep 11, 2007 03:22
Your knowledge has baffled me. [299 words]ShujaSep 11, 2007 11:45
You are very enlightened person. [244 words]ShujaSep 11, 2007 18:14
Your response is typical [1086 words]VinodguptSep 11, 2007 18:54
don't be personal [34 words]G.VishvasSep 12, 2007 13:09
Your comments need research. [345 words]ShujaSep 12, 2007 20:04
I wish you get some enlightenment. [12 words]ShujaSep 12, 2007 20:10
moslem inclination toward violence, past and present [503 words]EsmeraldaSep 13, 2007 08:27
the theory of islam is defective [182 words]G.VishvasSep 14, 2007 10:37
Speak the language of Christ. [230 words]ShujaSep 14, 2007 12:10
comments [587 words]EsmeraldaSep 17, 2007 04:04
Islam's idea of peace and tranquility [206 words]Arlinda DeAngelisSep 23, 2007 19:40
watch it [8 words]MadinaMay 6, 2009 22:48
Saudi Airline Restrictions [55 words]Ellen SchneiderAug 31, 2007 12:28
NICE HORSE, MUSLIMS! [43 words]Jorge CordovaAug 31, 2007 12:05
Saudi Airlines clean up their act [33 words]barbaraAug 31, 2007 11:16
Yes, a nominal change with no substance [56 words]Charles MartelAug 31, 2007 10:56
cosmetic changes [41 words]G.VishvasAug 31, 2007 10:42
what about more honesty? [154 words]G.VishvasSep 1, 2007 06:06
There once was a time and a place... [135 words]Seamus MacNemiSep 2, 2007 08:04
The problem is not Muslims or Saudi Arabia [40 words]VinodguptSep 4, 2007 09:59
Why no [197 words]donvanSep 11, 2007 10:04
Saudi Arabia enters the Taqiya mode [134 words]HarrakAug 31, 2007 10:33
Deception Abounds [16 words]Seamus MacNemiSep 1, 2007 07:27

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