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Submitted by susan (Italy), Jul 27, 2007 at 16:47

Educating me? LOL, ... Too funny.

"if you are a teacher, then God help the next generation. Don't make me laugh! Frankly, if you get your information from such skewed sources as the ones you quoted, it's not surprising you are so hateful."

I do technical PC training for adults, but my classes are a neat example of the society. You are free not to believe me but all muslims I happened to have (5%) were barely able to write and put together a coherent sentence, yet some of them had the guts to tell other women (western women or other immigrants) that the woman should stay at home looking after family, which is pretty dumb of them since my classes are especially made to help people improve their working skills and find jobs. Needless to say that all the other people attending the class were disgusted and pushed them aside and got a first hand clear lesson on how muslims behave. Then you'd hear them saying "no wonder, just look how they live in their countries" or "also in my country of origins we used to have problems with muslims" etc

I had reported this obnoxious behaviour to the people in charge and made sure those mysogynist muslims wouldn't get called again to attend not only MY classes, not only the company's classes, but all classes throughout the country. My attitude right now is to ignore them, not only they don't learn anything, but also are unpolite.

This goes hand in hand with the behaviour of muslim kids (6-7-8-9) year olds at school. Teachers are fed up because even at that age they start to kick adults (women). It's impossible to talk to parents because mothers are locked at home and fathers think it's ok.

So this is the overall picture of muslims in my country which is exactly the same in other european countries.

Secondly, it's typical of you muslims to dismiss information as "unreliable source".

Whatever idiocy you might say about syria or jordan, fact is, no muslim country has got freedom of religion. Non-muslims are second class citizens at best, at worse they are persecuted and accused of stupid things like blasphemy against your moon cult.

"The Taj Mahal is not a mosque but a mausoleum, it is a dedication of a Moghul king to his wife and the most symbolic gesture of love and romance in the world. There is no evidence (unless you can produce) that it was build on the site of any previous structure (even ulta-nationalist Hindu's would not make such a spurious claim)."

LOL, it's so easy to dismiss your propaganda, even dhimmi BBC considers the clear eventuality that it was a hindu temple.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A5220

I am sure you will say that BBC is not reliable. Typical.

"The Alhambra is a UNESCO world Heritage site, maybe you should go on the website, it may shatter some of your prejudice and bitterness."

that doesn't impress me much. 70% of things considered by unesco heritage site are in my country. Thank you very much.

Also the buddhahs in afghanistan were protected by unesco and they disappeared, thanks to muslims. The library of alexandria was destroyed by muslims, that's all you need to tell to expose the love of muslims for art and culture.

After all, you muslims cannot paint because your religion doesn't permit so. That's why there's no mental progression...

"During Saddam's time, Iraqi Christians lived in a secular country and not in a state of disorder and . They were considered Iraqi first and Christian second."

here I can dismiss your lie for what it is with again FIRST hand information. I am friend with the daughter of an important engineer that in the 80s went to iraq to set up a platform. It was full of underachieved that used to pray 5 times a day and were obssessed with their cult.

That man was surprised also about how a simple worker were boasting about how muslims were superior and they didn't drink and later there were quarrels and even riots with muslims wounding one another because they were drunk.

That's the typical hypocrisy of muslims, of course they were drinking in hiding.

No muslim country is secular. Saddam was gassing shiites just because they were shiites, as well as gassing kurds. Not that I care since one muslim less is good riddance but as you can see he based his "genocide" on religion.

"I think we both agree than the US invasion of Iraq has made the lives of Iraqi Christians considerably precarious."

I welcome anything that can destabilize muslims and reduce their numbers. I believe your interest in christians is as fake as a 11 dollar bill. There is no muslim country that consider the infidel on an equal level than muslims. This is a fact and it's widely known in the western world, in spite of your propaganda.

"The Hagia Sofia was a Christian church but before that it was a Roman Temple. Go away and read about it for your homework."

so what? even the romans were able to build stuff that muslims cannot. What's your point? Even ancient egyptians (NON-muslims) were the most advanced civilization known to mankind. Then they have been islamized and we know the result.

"So christian refugees don't go to Muslim countries. Again you show the extent of your ignorance. Go away and read about the Southern Sudanese migrants (numbering some two to five million) causing Chaos in Cairo. How about the Chinese Christians in Indonesia or those flooding into the UAE and Bahrain."

It's called desperation and reaching what's close. Don't speak about the sudanese refugees because Combonians in Cairo (christians missionaries) are the only ones helping them, among the total indifference of the egyptian muslim population. The chaos creating is the typical muslim reaction when they see non-muslims. Racism, xenophobia, it's no wonder that the copts in egypt are persecuted and often girls are kidnapped and raped. So much for your tolerance of christians.

Indonesia and the rest ... are simply close and the non-muslims suffer.

"Unfortunately for you, I am unwilling to give up my time in educating you. Just because you may be a teacher, does not mean you should stop learning!"

Still you haven't replied on which is the country that's unfortunately having you ...

Submitting....

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